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The current voting systems in the UK and the US dont do much for libertarians do they. here in the UK, the Green party (libertarian to the core) polled enough of the vote nationally to get several MPs, but actually got none, due to the vote being spread across the country.
lately it seems there is some support for PR here in the UK, tho nowhere near enough yet. Anything in the US?
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Rich
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lately it seems there is some support for PR here in the UK, tho nowhere near enough yet. Anything in the US?
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Rich
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Re: Proportional Representation
Wed, October 12, 2005 - 12:12 PMI wouldn't call the UK green party libertarian to the core.
Especially with the stands they take on environmental regulation. Prop Representation is not likely in the US system. Each locality directly chooses a particular representative. Most parlimentary systems could accomodate that provided that elections are party based instead of candidate based. The risk in doing things that way is that it is tough to remove particular individuals from office. Party Insiders will ALWAYS have a seat and that prevents grassroots movements from happening inside of parties. -
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Re: Proportional Representation
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 4:28 AMHi Litestorm
im interested in your comments about the Greens and environmental regulation, care to expand a little more?
Rich
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Re: Proportional Representation
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 11:26 PMIn general Greens put forward strict regulation to reduce damage to the environment. It takes a bigger government to put those regulations in place and enforce them. A good example of Green style regulation is the deposit the californians pay for their drink beverages. A huge bureaucracy had to be developed to make sure that the same container would not be redeemed twice to defraud the system.
The ultimate libertarian goal is to have an efficient minamalistic government that protects basic rights (that of life and property) and insures that the system stays in place.
Libertarianism trusts individuals to make informed choices about the behaviours they partake in and ultimately suffer the consequences of those decisions. The city that wants the good jobs the mine provides better ready to accept and increase in the incidence of cancer. The drug user needs to accept the responsibility that those substances may kill or poison him/her. etc... The Government only steps in when one persons life or property rights conflict with another.
I would say much of the Green agenda is more toward the liberal or authoritarian slant.
Environment wise A libertarian will know well enough not not attend the pool parties of someone who pisses in his own pool. In such a society Polluters would get such a bad rap that they would not be able to compete. -
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Re: Proportional Representation
Fri, October 14, 2005 - 4:48 AM> In general Greens put forward strict regulation to reduce damage to the environment. It takes a bigger government to put those regulations in place and enforce them. A good example of Green style regulation is the deposit the californians pay for their drink beverages. A huge bureaucracy had to be developed to make sure that the same container would not be redeemed twice to defraud the system.
Cant comment on this particular example, cause I have no knowledge of it, and the question concerned the UK Green party. My impression of which is that they are not afraid to attempt to regulate big business to some degree, but are not controlling when it come to indivdual choice. Maybe im just reading what I want to hear as it were, but in terms of size of government, the party seems to be about localised, informed and co operative decision making rather than top heavy federal style politics.
> The ultimate libertarian goal is to have an efficient minamalistic government that protects basic rights (that of life and property) and insures that the system stays in place.
Id go further and say that the ultimate libertarian goal would surely be no government at all, the question for me is how to approach that goal.
> Libertarianism trusts individuals to make informed choices about the behaviours they partake in and ultimately suffer the consequences of those decisions. The city that wants the good jobs the mine provides better ready to accept and increase in the incidence of cancer. The drug user needs to accept the responsibility that those substances may kill or poison him/her. etc... The Government only steps in when one persons life or property rights conflict with another.
Im with you on all that - the Greens are amongst the voices calling for repeals of drug prohibition laws.
> I would say much of the Green agenda is more toward the liberal or authoritarian slant.
Liberal I can understand, but I dont see the authoritarian thing yet.
Rich
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Re: Proportional Representation
Mon, March 27, 2006 - 11:00 PMBy reducing the "size and scope" of government... does that mean decentralization of Power (as opposed to centraliztion of power)?
You can "save" the environment in small communities that are de-centralized...
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